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Is the Saphonian bladeless wind turbine for real or a scam?

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I wrote to Saphon Energy in Tunisia about their “bladeless wind turbine”.

The reply I received said:

“Thank you for your interest in Saphon’s Technology. Our product is not yet available on the market.
When the commercial stage will start, we will be happy to answer to your enquiries with more detailed information and discuss about business opportunities in USA.”

So, they don’t seem to be looking for immediate investment capital.

I don’t know enough about the science to know if it is for real.

Has anyone heard anything that might confirm or debunk bladeless wind turbines that are more efficient and cheaper?

Mick West

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The invention consists of a system for converting wind energy (SCEE) into mechanical and then electrical energy. This system (SCEE) is not subject to the theoretical Betz limit (59%).

The system (SCEE) has a wheel (F) equipped with a series of blades arranged all around it. The wheel (F) turns in a pivoting connection about a fixed axle (L). Set on the axle (L), a support (E) attaches the end plates of a series of double-acting actuating cylinders (D). The cylinder rods of the latter are in a ball jointed connection with the body (A), the purpose of this being to offer the latter a maximum degree of freedom in space.

A rigid arm (C) is set on one side of the wheel (F) and held on the other side, in a pivoting connection, on a U‑shaped section piece (B). Having a circular satellite movement, the latter turns with the wheel (F) while at the same time sliding over a peripheral region of the body (A). When the wind blows against the body (A), the latter pivots with the section piece (B) and pushes on the cylinder rods of the actuating cylinders (D). Having a circular satellite movement, the section piece (B) turns, sliding over a peripheral region of the body (A), thus changing the fulcrum of the moment of the resultant force of the wind (the pivot connection of the section piece (B)) applied to the body (A). The cylinder rods of the actuating cylinders (D) will therefore be pulled and pushed, while at the same time having a cyclic translational movement.

Set on the axle (L), and a nacelle (J) chiefly contains a hydraulic motor (H) and an electric generator (G), which can be coupled via a speed multiplier. During the reciprocating movements of the pistons of the actuating cylinders (D), a set of valves allows for a one-way flow of hydraulic fluid inside “out and back” hydraulic circuits either by pulling or pushing. The “out and back” hydraulic circuits are also connected to the hydraulic motor (H).

To keep the system (SCEE) always facing into the wind and allow it to pivot on the mast (1), it can be orientated by a tail vane (K) which is fixed, via a support, to the nacelle (J).

I can’t immediately see how it is supposed to work. But it reminds me of a perpetual motion machine.

Mick West

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The gizmag article title uses the word “bladeless.” (and I repeated it in the post title . my bad)

The actual patent application title says it is a “System for converting wind energy” and does not use the word “bladeless.”

Mick West

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Saphon’s web site though describes (and illustrates) it as “Zero-blade” with no rotation, so it seems clear that their idea is not exactly like the patent application. Presumably they feel that the wobbling disk part of the patent covers the present invention.

Saphon’s aim wasn’t to improve the current wind turbines technology but rather to challenge the “box” and develop a radical new way of harnessing the wind. Anis’ basic idea was to remove the whole rotating system (blades and hub) and to replace it by a non-rotational sail-shaped body. The idea has evolved over time and emerged as a promising technology named the Zero-Blade Technology. The related wind converter, baptized “The Saphonian”, is bladeless, rotationless, and follows, instead, a back and forth 3D knot motion, largely inspired from sailboats.

They explain they evolved away from the original design:

Over the last 2 years, Anis and his technical team have designed, developed and tested several operating prototypes. The initial design has radically evolved over time as there has been number of improvements that helped optimizing the final device. Apart from the design, the functionality of the lab scale prototypes has been constantly enhanced in a record time. The second generation of prototype has recently been finalized and is exceeding initial expectations. The modeling of the Saphonian’s aerodynamic motion has also been mastered using state-of-the-art software and various sophisticated applications. The latest prototype version has proved that the Saphonian is robust, resistant and as scalable as the current bladed wind turbines.

How does it work:

Instead of spinning blades, the wind is being harnessed by a curved sail-shaped body which follows a back and forth 3D knot motion. This motion (like a wobbling dish) allows the conversion of the majority of the wind kinetic energy into mechanical energy through the use of pistons. The pistons are connected to a hydraulic system which enables the conversion of the mechanical energy into hydraulic pressure and then, to electricity.
By replacing the turbine’ blades by a sail-shaped body that enjoys high aerodynamic drag coefficient (Cd), our Zero-Blade device is capable of capturing twice as much wind kinetic energy as conventional bladed wind turbine for the same swept area. The curved shape of the Saphonian body (Cd of 2.3) is capable of swallowing a great part of the blowing wind. Thanks to the specific motion of the sail-shaped body and the absence of blades, the Saphonian has set itself free from the Betz law. It also reduced major aerodynamic losses given its bladeless design.

smitchlovesfunk

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What really worries me about their claims is the diagram of the streamtube showing the upstream wind; it is completely wrong! The energy extracted from the wind comes from a streamtube that has a smaller area than the turbine’s swept area, not larger! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz’_law
How it is possible to “swallow” an area of wind larger than the area of the device I have no idea!!

Having said that I don’t want to rule out the chance of them being able to beat Betz, but this huge mistake in theory does not give me much hope.

Mick West

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Yes that diagram is nonsensical – you can see how a larger density of the wind would hitting the surface, but not a larger cross-sectional area.

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The whole thing looks very dubious. How is it extracting energy? How does it not shake itself to bits after a few hours in a stiff breeze?

RSFNF

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Dear Mick, Dear friends, Dear All,

SAPHONIAN DIED on 29th of April 2020!

I am a Tunisian expert in the innovation field. The evaluation of any innovation is the [backbone of my] job. Evaluation on 3 aspects: Scientific/Technical, Industrial/Technological and Commercial is needed to achieve any transfer.
The SAPHONIAN didn’t need all these effort to achieve a tragic conclusion: It’s a joke, a large scale joke!
I use smooth words like Joke instead of scam or any other accusing adjective. It’s not my job.
Some facts to the conclusion:
– Mid-November, I was very happy in learning the scoop from my colleagues: Two young Tunisians invent a new system, called SAPHONIAN. This system converts the wind to electrical Energy with high performances, better than the classical wind system and lower price.
– To better know about this ‘pearl’, I wrote to Saphon-Energy, asking for the SAPHONIAN performances. They welcomed my email and answered immediately in forwarding the booklet, available in their website.
Same day and the booklet read, I sent to the innovators comments on technical and patenting aspects. I worked, amongst others, on helicopters and the rotor taught me a lot of things.
– One week after, NO answer, NO thanks, Nothing at all!
In my experience, I’d never seen such strange behavior. This was my first doubt about the seriousness of the SAPHONIAN.
Then I forget the SAPHONIAN as I didn’t believe.
– On April, I waked up with many blows on my head: SAPHONIAN awards, interests, and articles in newspapers and interviews: My god the SAPHONIAN goes again!
– On the same day, I decided to look closer at the SAPHONIAN. 48 hours were enough to seal the future of this joke through an analysis of performances and making prototype.
a. I studied the patent ‘drinking the ink and eating the paper’ to make a detailed analyses of SAPHONIAN performances : ZERO PERFORMANCE
b. I built a pedagogical prototype of SAPHONIAN to better understand the mind of innovators: AMUSING MACHINE (would be an extraterrestrial hat!)
CONCLUSION: It’s a joke, a large scale joke!
– To be fair towards the innovators, I sent an email to them, hoping an immediate reaction from them. This is the conclusion included in my email sent to Saphon-Energy:
1. The Saphonian has obvious malfunctions.
2. The performances of SAPHONIAN, as EECS (Aeolian à Electric [wind powered electric generator]) are negligible near to zero.
3. Saphonian is a classical wind system, handicapped with diminished capacities, and converts the wind to electricity through an unbelievable path.
4. The Saphonian is a sailboat that opens its sailing but it forgets to pull up its anchor à it never sail!
No reply, No sign, no curiosity to know about my analysis of performances and my prototype, nothing at all!
Then to protect our (Tunisian) Institutions and our state VIPs, I informed them.

To date and one month after, my email to the ‘innovators’ remains unanswered. So those who had received even micro sign from Saphon-Energy are macro lucky!

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